I strongly encourage you to check the blog http://www.shotinthedark.info for the latest in this developing story.  The blogs author also has  Saturday  1PM and 3PM radio show on AM-1280 "The Patriot".  This involved several posts so I decided to paste them together.  Using Frontpage, it preserves the links.  St. Paul City Council president Dave Thune was the key proponent of the Twin Cities smoking bans a few years back.  He seems a "poster child" for the way some anti-smoking activists act like "jerks" (to put it diplomatically).  Greg Lang

Key quote below: "After Thune’s comments two major players in the bar/restaurant scene lost huge contracts. One was a $50,000 dinner and another was a $800,000 party…Minneapolis was happy to have them and their lobbyists, puking or not."

Written From A Puddle Of My Own Vomit

April 9th, 2008

I wrote this to my City Council Rep yesterday:

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Mr. Stark, Mitch Berg here. I’m a constituent of yours…

…sorry. I had to go clean up after another spell of “puking”. And I apologize if my spelling suffers; as I’m a Republican, the delerium tremens makes it hard to type whenever I’m not hammered out of my mind.

I’m writing on behalf of the 28-40% of Saint Paulites who vote Republican, but whom you and Council Prez Dave Thune represent in city government…

…oh, damn. Hang on. Gotta puke…

…Sorry. Where was I? Oh, yeah - Republicans who, when we rouse ourselves from our drunken stupor, somehow manage to pay taxes and raise kids when we’re
not vomiting in Dave Thune’s daisies.

All joking aside - it’s a little disconcerting to read that the *elected leader* of the city to whom I pay taxes has such a caustically hateful opinion of over a third of his city’s residents. Is it any wonder that people are leaving, pulling their kids out of the
school system, and taking their entertainment and shopping dollar elsewhere?

Mitch Berg
Minnehaha and Pascal
21-year Saint Paul taxpayer, who’s raised/is raising three kids here, is a GOP district officer, and is sick to death of a city that treats me like a ripe suck on the one hand and a hated adversary on the other.

Now I really DO need a drink.

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It’s true.

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Merry Christmas, Minneapolis!

April 9th, 2008

Republicans are, by nature, a fairly good-tempered lot. Especially in Saint Paul. You have to be, living in a city where one of your key government figures thinks - and says, in friendly surroundings - that you, the Republican, are a drunken lout.

But eventually, even we can be pushed too far. I got this email from a source in the know about these things:

After Thune’s comments two major players in the bar/restaurant scene lost huge contracts. One was a $50,000 dinner and another was a $800,000 party…Minneapolis was happy to have them and their lobbyists, puking or not.

$850,000 at Saint Paul’s 7.5% Sales Tax rate comes to $59,500.

Councilman Thune; that’s money that could have helped ameliorate some of the taxes you’ve been jacking up in this city.

Care to puke that up?

Open Letter to St. Paul City Council President Dave Thune

April 8th, 2008

I sent this to Councilman Thune and his assistant:

Councilman Thune,

Mitch Berg here.

I just got off the phone with Ms. Lindgren, who said she’d leave a message for you. It occurred to me that she never asked me for any contact information - an oversight, I’m sure. In any case, I’m writing to follow up.

I’d like to extend an open-ended invitation to join Ed Morrissey and I this weekend on the Northern Alliance broadcast, any time between 1PM and 3PM, at your convenience. We’d love to discuss to your statements, in public and on the Saint Paul Information Forum, about the 28-40% of your constituents who vote Republican, and are (or so you seem to believe) drunken, puking, drug-dealing warmongers.

Now, I know that every time I’ve requested an interview in the past, you’ve pled “busy”. And I know you’re a busy guy, and respect that fact.

So in the interest of reaching “across the aisle” to make sure you’re able to communicate with Saint Paul’s Republicans, and the other Republicans nationwide who’ll be travelling to *our* city, I’d like to stress that this invitation is good for ANY SATURDAY between now and the end of human existence on this or any planet (or your retirement or ejection from politics, whichever comes first). You can come into the studio, or appear via phone - whatever’s most convenient!

If you are not available on a Saturday, I will be happy to *tape* an interview with you, in studio or via phone, at ANY TIME convenient to you, 24 hours a day, seven days a week. I will also be happy to meet you with a tape recorder, any place, any time, at your leisure (provided I’m not incapacitated by fits of drunken vomiting and delirium tremens). You, as an elected official, DESERVE the opportunity to reach across the aisle and speak with the 28-40% of your constituents who likely voted against the DFL and you, but whom you nevertheless still represent as president of the city council of one of America’s great cities.

Finally, in the unlikely event that you can’t free up fifteen minutes between now and the end of time for a radio interview, I’d like to submit some questions - under separate cover, obviously - for you to answer at your leisure via email. Pardon my presumption, but this seems reasonable, given that I am a Saint Paul taxpayer.

I will hope you will do me the estimable honor of responding to this invitation (which I’m making public via my various blogs and, this weekend, the show), rather than having to lead a contingent of “drunk, puking, warmongering, drug-dealing, family-values-flouting” Saint Paul Republicans to deliver it in person at an upcoming City Council meeting.

Sincerely,

Mitch Berg
Sober, peace-loving Republican and 21-year Saint Paul Taxpayer

Northern Alliance Radio Network
AM1280thepatriot.com

Shot In The Dark
www.shotinthedark.info

I’ll keep y’all posted.

Dave Thune Doesn’t Apologize. Nosirreebob.

April 8th, 2008

Last week, the Saint Paul City Council rejected the idea of allowing bars in Saint Paul to stay open an extra two hours during the week of the convention.

Fair enough. No biggie.

Except that the rationale of Councilman Dave Thune was that he didn’t want thousands of Republican lobbyists “puking” on his lawn.

Now, Dave’s a jocular guy. And I know as well as anyone that people will josh around, especially when the subject is partisan politics.

Still - in a purple state, and in a city where between 30-40% of the city does generally vote Republican - the remark was considered inflammatory enough that Senator Sandy Pappas - who represents the same general area at the Capitol that Thune does in City Hall - felt obliged to apologize for Councilman Thune at the podium in the Senate last week.

So what does Dave Thune really think?

Over at the Saint Paul Information Forum - an email discussion group that purports to be open to all, but is basically a DFL hive and news-release outlet - Thune elaborated over the weekend. In the interest of fairness (and because he slips in some modestly sensible stuff before the really defamatory howler), I’ll print the whole thing (inserting my comments, of course).

It’s a long email - and it makes a few good points. I’m hacking out most of it, but to be fair, he notes…:

Its hard work to be a good owner/neighbor, refereeing domestic disputes and picking up litter and hosing down sidewalks the next morning. I like bars (believe it or not) and I like bars to be on our commercial streets and in our neighborhoods, but I am no fool and I know that:

1. The adjacent homeowners and neighbors will hate the 4 AM close time.
2. There is no way to rule that only a few “select” bars can be open til 4.
You either let them all, or none. The law protects them all equally.
3. Limiting 4AM closing to downtown still puts them beside residences who pay as much taxes as you do and did not purchase a condo on Bourbon Street - they chose Wabasha, Minnesota or Wall Streets.
4. Limiting to downtown is in reality unworkable because you would be
leaving out the popular Mancinis, O’Gara’s and Dixie’s bars.
5. We’ve been told that the cost of law enforcement due to extended hours is upwards to half a million bucks - payable via your property taxes.
6. The test of a great city is not how long you can drink alchohol. To hear
a legislator say that we just don’t want to be a big city is insulting and
obviously the words of a moron.

OK. So far so good. A few minor logical howlers, but nothing we can’t expect from a DFL poobah.

Fasten your seatbelts. The rest of this post is a bumpy ride.

I also know that ocassionally I speak frankly and with a bit of passion.
But I am angry that this is being suggested, to cater to a “special” group
of conventioneers who will be judging us predominately by our bar hours. I am more than a little irritated that cities are being played off against
each other (”we can’t be at a competitive disadvantage”).

It’s called the “Free Market”, Mr. Thune, and cities do compete with each other - ferociously - for conventions.

Now, let’s move to the last bit. And in doing so, remember who’s actually coming to Saint Paul for the convention. Lobbyists? Sure! They go wherever government business is transacted; you can expect there’ll be plenty of ‘em here. Media, too - by the tens of thousands. GOP staffers and politicians? Yep. Demonstrators, of course - and Dave Thune has already gone far out of his way to make them feel welcome.

And - most of all, the people around whom the whole event is actually centered; delegates. Thousands of ‘em. And their families. And who are these people? Regular folks; working stiffs who’ve plugged away working for the GOP long enough to be recognized; in many cases, being a national delegate is a reward for years, even decades, of phone-banking and fund-raising and walking door-to-door handing out literature and counting ballots at precinct caucuses. Work-a-daddy, hug-a-mommy schlemiels who, through the grace of their state conventions, get to spend a week in Saint Paul participating in a political ritual at once ridiculous and vital to our functioning democracy.
People like you and I and, as it happens, Dave Thune.

People that, at first glance, seem unlikely to puke on Dave Thune’s lawn, at least to you and I…

…but not, apparently, to Dave Thune.

I add emphasis below:

Finally, I may have unfairly sullied the reputation of lobbyists. My friend
[redacted, a lobbyist] pointed out that lobbyists don’t puke, they’re professionals who have experience holding their liquor. Its the amateurs who spew.

He may be right, but the particular lobbyists we’ll have in town that week
are the ones who have initiated this whole discussion.

And of course these are the lobbyists who brought us an illegal and tragic war, a recession, polluted water, expensive drugs, and even the moralists who preach family values but play “outside the box” themselves. They are enough to make me queasy without a snootful…

Sorry Sandy, I don’t apologize.

dave thune
ward 2

Wow.

So a city crammed (for a week) full of responsible, hard-working Americans whose only real “crime” is disagreeing with Dave Thune on politics provoke that much hatred?

This guy is the president of the city council in one of America’s great cities?

If you’re one of the 30-40% of Saint Paul’s voters who vote Republican, this is your government talking (and talking informally among friends; remember, the “Saint Paul Information Forum” is a DFL club in all but name), what does this say to you? Maybe that while the city loves your money (you plutocratic, cigar-smoking Republican, you!), they hate you to the point of venting noxious bilge like this - in private, among friends, anyway?

If you’re one of the Republicans who’s coming to Saint Paul, and planning on spending money (at premium rates, no less) and stuffing the coffers of these two ideological gulags, Saint Paul and Minneapolis, what do you think? Did you start any wars, wreck any economies, pollute any water, import any drugs or cheat on your spouses?

Ask Councilman Thune. Here’s the City of Saint Paul City Council website.

And I’ll be inviting him onto the NARN to elaborate on these statements.

I’ll keep you posted.

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